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 Post subject: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:18 pm 
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I am not one for smoking marijuana anymore, but betterbroker brought up a good point in the "Tax on Pipe Tobacco" subject, and I think it would be a good discussion.

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There's all kinds of bucks to be made by the gov. in cannabis cultivation, but somebody's making more money by using our existing tax dollars to fight against it, thus it'll be a long time before they wise up.


I would compare the illegalization of of marijuana to the prohibition, in that it has created a thriving crime culture. It has had documented use for around 5000 years, and banning it has done nothing to stop this, but has put that money in the hands of drug dealers. I completely disagree with decriminalizing it, but think that it should be legalized and treated just like tobacco. You must be 18 or older to buy it, and all purchases would have a marijuana tax. Use is restricted to the same locations as tobacco. And home growers are free to do what they want except sell without a permit and paying the tax. This tax could reduce our current tobacco tax, save our failing public schools, and even help alleviate our current budget deficit. Not to mention the increased exploration of medical use.

What are your opinions, the good and the bad.

p.s. there is also a very informative documentary about the Vancouver B.C. drug trade called The Union you may be interested in. Here is a link to it http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:59 pm 
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Personally, I think all drugs should be legal. Taxed and sold like alcohol. If you commit a crime while under the influence of any drug including alcohol the penalty should be doubled.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:36 pm 
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Marijuana is illegal under federal law because Congress believed<rightly so, that they lacked constitutional jurisdiction to criminalize it so they went for the expedient of taxation and required that all persons possessing marijuana must have a "tax permit" attached and assigned issuance of these "permits to the Treasury Dept. which has steadfastly refused to issue one for the last 73 years.
As a humorous side note, the first anti marijuana law was passed by the El Paso, Tx. city council in 1912 because"...it gives mexicans super strength"!?!


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:58 am 
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Hi --

The Controlled Substance Act criminalized a whole slew of drugs without bothering to use the "tax" subterfuge.

As long as taxpayer money isn't used to support the results of drug abuse by giving the addicts free medical care, free food, free housing, et al, then I support legalization of drugs.

Also, if I happen to run over a drug addict while backing out of my driveway one morning, his organs should be sold to pay for damages on my truck.

Bob

ps. that was mostly tongue in cheek, I agree, the drug war has causes many evils including and not limited to marketing of drugs to kids, violent crime in the streets and corruption of law enforcement personell and after decades of abusing our freedoms in the name of drug eradication, we still have all the drugs we could possibly want....bk


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:59 am 
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Sometimes when looking at all the tobacco hanging in my garage, tobacco in boxes, tobacco in enormous plastic bags, the kiln, everywhere, that if it were pot I’d be somebody, ha!

In CA it’s almost totally legal, at least for medical reasons – it’s no big deal. All you need is a medical pot-card, and there are pot houses/distributors popping up everywhere… like candy stores! And this stuff is seriously cultivated and designed to kick butt! NOT that I’d know about that, heheha.


I think during hard times the gov tends to look the other way… I mean, at least let the people enjoy a vice or two.

But you know what’ll happen. Some kid will get high and kill a busload of people, and once again, everyone will be punished because of one irresponsible idiot.



Sure, tax the crap out of me – I’ll be too high to care. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:14 pm 
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Bridge, I think you've made some excellent points on the subject. I'm not one for using anymore either, but back in the day well....... My most memorable occasion? Sitting around with a group smoking and just chilling out, looking across the room and recognizing some guy. I told him he looked familiar, but couldn't place him. His response, in a nutshell, local cop.....we were smoking that day's confiscation. I'm NOT for legalizing all drugs, but I believe everything the good Lord put on this planet was meant for our use. That's not to say there's not a substance out there that can't be abused. Too much water? drown Pure oxygen? Kill your lungs Red meat? Clogged arteries Cannabis is not manufactured anymore than tobacco. Alcohol, meth, crack, cocaine, heroin eg. they're all man made products. Who's not seen an alcoholic that thinks they're ten feet tall and bullet proof? On the other hand, who's seen anybody on plain old pot want to do anything but, chill, eat, have sex, or sleep? I find it humorous that years ago it was the cotton lobby that wanted pot illegal. They didn't want the competition of a softer and stronger material. My only argument with anything you said was that legalization could reduce the amount of tobacco tax. That'll never happen my friend. Unfortunately, I think we're getting ever closer to the day when a crop of tobacco will be JUST as illegal as marijuana, and you guys that have grown all you think you need to finish out your days better hope your "stash" isn't found.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:56 pm 
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They will only make tobacco illegal when they don't get enough tax money from it because that's all they really care about, the money.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:53 am 
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You are probably right about not reducing the tobacco tax, I guess it was just wishful thinking. Why would they reduce tax when they love money so much lol.
When I did smoke, I don't think I could stay awake long enough to commit a crime (other than smoking of course), but the myths will outweigh logic until money outweighs myths.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:21 am 
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Hi --

ricco, history shows that when tax revenues fall, government starts enforcing laws with fiscal penalties in order to get income. Last I heard, US federal tax revenues were off 38% from last year and probably a lot more. States and local govs are all hurting. Thus, the money they spend will be on enforcing laws they've ignored till now, really putting the hammer down to fund their socialist agenda.

3 years after FDR was elected, the leftists had wrecked the economy so badly that tax revenues were off 80% from when FDR was elected. So, they legalized alcohol and taxed the hell outta it.

We're seeing attacks on tobacco users' wallets to fund Big Government.

Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:51 am 
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wydeboi, you're kinda getting my point in a roundabout way, but first let me say this. Yesterday on the net I saw an article (Yahoo News, I think) where someone is proposing a 1.00 a pack federal tax increase on cigarettes for increased revenue and "the good of the people". Let's say this passes. The report itself said something like another 100,000 people would quit smoking, thus revenues drop even further AND this site increases exponentially in size. How long before some political wisenheimer takes a look at the millions or billions of dollars spent to fight marijuana, and decides it's time to go after the home growers of tobacco? I'm just saying it ain't that far fetched to see a day when a school bus is buried to grow tobacco instead of weed. Added........Bob good point. How many other than myself have seen a huge increase of blue lights flashing on the roads within the past year? They all adamantly deny having quotas to fill, but I see tons more people pulled on the shoulders not just by locals, but troopers and sheriffs as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
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Michigan State Police have operation C.A.R.E. We call it "Can't Always Raise Enough".


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Here in Oregon the police have started using speed traps in the last year or so. As you drive down any highway the speed limit will be 55-60, and when you pass by a small town it will drop to 25-30. I have began noticing more police cars hiding right around the reduced speed sign.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
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Make it all legal . Sure the weak and hoplessly addicted will die . Guess what they are already getting hooked and dying .

I think if a person is the trye to throw their life away to an addiction that nothing will stop them . If they can not get meth they will just get herion or something .

So sure some will abuse it to the extent of killing theirselfs . But they going to do this anyhow so what difference is it if they hide in a boose bottle or a bag of meth .

Just my 2 cents


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
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I don't know if I'm pro legalization or just anti-government involvement in everything. Government meddliing via Prohibition. I don't see where the US Constitution allows this government involvement.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization and taxation of cannabis
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SC, it doesn't allow it. The Constitution has been broken for quite some time by the people who are sworn to uphold it.


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