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Author:  Afrohippie82 [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:46 pm ]
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Where did you get your seeds

Author:  stic [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:41 pm ]
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I got my seeds from trademe...

Plants are all well above the fence now, just starting to get the slight pebbled look to the tips of the leaves and look to be yellowing slightly, can't be long now...

Also, purchased a 7mm shredder...should be here soon...

https://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/tobacco-related/other/auction-1537118357.htm?rsqid=47ff2835be9342afb109010d478779c6

Author:  stic [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:51 pm ]
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Shredder came today...works well and smoking the product already... :D

Author:  stic [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:06 pm ]
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So, since the shredder turned up, I've been smoking home grown ONLY; and, production is exceeding my ability to smoke it...

And, I smoke a LOT!

Currently got about 4 50g packs shredded and sitting ready, and many kilo's of leaves curing....

I figure it's saved me $400NZ already...

Author:  MAB [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:13 am ]
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Virginia ready to smoke it? You're lucky, my Virginia tastes grass until May or June!
I always read that in very expensive tobacco in oceania ... Stic, I ask you to understand the value of your currency: what is the cost of a cheeseburger?

Author:  Orson [ Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:54 pm ]
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Hi -
I'm another Kiwi grower, living not too far away from you. (Wanganui).
I've been a member of this forum for some time now but haven't looked in for a while, and only just come across your post.
The first thing I will say is that the first year growing is always going to be the hardest. I was pretty pleased with what I produced in my first year but now that I know a little more I realise just how little I knew when I started.
Your question about 'how big do they grow' will no doubt have been answered by now but (just so you know for next time) the plants you show are carrying quite large suckers, which if removed (before getting that big) would've allowed the primary leaves to be even larger and thicker.
I made this same mistake with my first crop - you feel that you are wasting good material by removing them but if you don't do it the main leaves just don't reach their full potential
The only other comment I would make is to say that if you're at the moment happy with smoking something that's only just finished being air-dried (colour-cured) pretty soon you probably won't be. Anything that 'new' just has to be pretty raw and harsh to smoke.
I flue-cure all my Virginia and although it's cured golden in six days it doesn't start to get really smokable for months.
I hope this helps for the future. Best of luck.

Author:  stic [ Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:26 pm ]
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Cheers Orson.

I have many, many leaves slowly curing in the garage and shed.

I have some of them just laying flat, curing in the air, and some 'pile' curing under a sheet.

They are slowly turning gold and brown, and yes, it is a bit harsh, but at $90 or so for 50g of Brand tobacco, it's acceptable.

What I would like to know is, what's the best method of flavoring it?

And, should it be done during or after the curing process?

Also, what exactly ARE suckers?

Are they side branches, off the main branch?

Author:  Orson [ Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:35 pm ]
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stic wrote:
Cheers Orson.

I have many, many leaves slowly curing in the garage and shed.

I have some of them just laying flat, curing in the air, and some 'pile' curing under a sheet.

They are slowly turning gold and brown, and yes, it is a bit harsh, but at $90 or so for 50g of Brand tobacco, it's acceptable.

What I would like to know is, what's the best method of flavoring it?

And, should it be done during or after the curing process?

Also, what exactly ARE suckers?

Are they side branches, off the main branch?



I don't claim to be an expert but in the past three years of growing and curing I think I've learned a lot.

Concerning the 'suckers'; what you might call 'primary' leaves are attached directly to the main stem of the plant. The suckers start as small buds that grow on the top of the junction between the stem and primary leaf. If you don't remove these at an early stage the suckers just keep getting bigger - almost as big as the primary leaves. The suckers are harvestable but by removing them as they appear allows the primary leaves to be of better quality and grow very much larger than they will get if the suckers are left there. In NZ, when growing tomatoes, the suckers are usually called 'laterals'.
Even after colour-curing your leaves (which is usually done by hanging, out of the sun, under shelter, in the air for about five weeks) a bright-leaf variety (like what you're growing) really needs another 12 months, aging, before it's ready to smoke. Now, I realise that this information is possibly going to be a bit depressing but it's pretty harsh and raw if you don't do this. You might be happy enough with what you're producing at the moment (because it's a bit of a novelty to get something that burns that doesn't cost $1800 a kilogram) but in your next season you'll be wanting to produce something that's a whole lot milder. This 'aging' can be sped up by 'force-aging' it by fermenting for a period of about five weeks.
So, you may need to either build a fermenting kiln or just wait.
When it comes to flavouring, there are two aspects of this; the first is 'casing'. This involves treating the cured tobacco with a liquid preparation, which, basically adds sugar to the leaf (much of which is lost during air-curing). Generally speaking, the casing sort of evens out any harshness of raw tobacco. I can tell you the 'recipe' I use for casing, if you want it. You mist-spray it on the cured leaves before you shred them (as I do) or mist the shredded tobacco afterwards.
Probably what you're really thinking of when you say 'flavouring' is called 'topping'. It is like a concentrated syrup that's added to give a flavour like 'rum and wine' to the likes of 'Port Royal'. You can buy toppings like menthol, camels, marlboro, etc on Trade Me.
If you PM me I'll give you a bit more information that may be specifically interesting to a Kiwi.

Author:  stic [ Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:32 am ]
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MAB wrote:
Virginia ready to smoke it? You're lucky, my Virginia tastes grass until May or June!
I always read that in very expensive tobacco in oceania ... Stic, I ask you to understand the value of your currency: what is the cost of a cheeseburger?


sorry for the late reply.

If you are talking a cheeseburger as in McDonald's, it's approx $2

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