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 Post subject: Free seeds
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:27 pm 
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Ok here's the deal. I have a number of seeds from the GRIN that I want to keep fresh. I'm looking for some people willing to grow one type, isolate the flowers and send me the seeds from one plant. You have to have at least 100 post and have to have posted since August to be eligible. You'll get a packet with some seeds so you can have a enough plants to make enough tobacco to try the type and to grow out seeds for yourself. If you are interested post here which type you want and pm me your address. Only giving one per request.


112822 Mexico mixed sample primitive
114400 Mexico tabasqueo prieto (impure) primitive

114561 Mexico tlapacoyan primitive

116183 Mexico primitive

405532 Mexico punta de lanza primitive


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:42 pm 
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Count me in. I'll do more than one if you want, and we can do some trading too if you like. ALL my seed plants get bagged. I will send you a pm.


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:49 am 
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I would be interested in:

114401 Mexico tabasqueño prieto primitive

PM sent.


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:49 pm 
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Please count me in for

114403 Mexico tabasqueo colorado primitive


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:30 pm 
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I'm on it!
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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:51 am 
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Need a few more people to volunteer. You know it is postulated that modern Havana tobaccos actually came from the Mexican varieties.


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:54 am 
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NRustica wrote:
...it is postulated that modern Havana tobaccos actually came from the Mexican varieties.

Reference?

Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:29 am 
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That's a very nice study. Here's a link that will get you to the pdf version of it:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/2467668.pdf

It certainly puts to rest the genetically silly notion that tobacco dramatically changes when planted in a new region.

I don't see in the text any significant support for assuming that modern Havana varieties came from Mexico. Historically, Nicotiana tabacum arose on the eastern slopes of the Andes, in South America, while N. rustica seems to have arisen in the region of Mexico.

Spinden, Herbert Joseph: Tobacco is American: the story of tobacco before the coming of the white man.
New York Public Library, 1950.

This book, and many more, can be found in The Core Historical Literature of Agriculture at http://chla.library.cornell.edu/c/chla/. There are only a half-dozen books there with the word, "tobacco" in the title, but the entire library contains many thousands of books, all readable on-line.

Spinden HJ: Tobacco is American, 1950 wrote:
It should be kept in mind as regards commercial tobacco: the straits of Yucatan and of Florida separate the two domesticated tobaccos of pre-Columbian times so that north and west of this line only Nicotiana rustica was available, and south and east of it only Nicotiana tabacum, while the two species mingled in the general region of Panama.

The old tobaccos of Mexico and the United States were essentially pipe and cigarette tobaccos. The South American species with a larger and broader leaf gave rise to our cigar, or bundle of smaller leaves wrapped in a larger leaf of the same material.

...in 1528, we must assume that the people of the Valley of Mexico had at least some trading knowledge of the large-leaved Nicotiana tabacum, which already had penetrated the northern continent as a contribution of recent immigrants from South America.


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Map of Western Hemisphere showing, in black area, the extent of the spread of Nicotiana rustica which was aboriginally cultivated in Mexico and Central America. In Virginia, it was soon replaced in English cultivation with Nicotiana tabacum introduced from the Orinoco [Venezuela].


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Darkened areas in Central and South America show Indian cultivation of Nicotiana tabacum. It originated as a hybrid on the eastern slopes of the Andes.


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Darkened areas show where wild tobaccos grow; about sixty species appear in the two mountainous areas of America, the heaviest concentration being in Chile and Argentina.

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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:48 am 
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pg. 121
The facts
that they have maintained themselves for a long period of time,
that no effort has been made to improve them, and that they
resemble races from Mexico, seem to indicate that these forms are
not far removed from the original wild species of tobacco. As their
definite classification would require the study of vastly more
material than is at my disposal, it seems best to indicate the general
relationships of the types and give the main characteristics by
which they were distinguished. For similar reasons, it is useless
to speculate on the origin of the forms of tobacco which now occur
in Cuba. Many of the growers have a vague idea that the tobacco
of today is not the real Cuban tobacco famous in former times. It
is a common belief among them that during the long wars tobacco
growing was almost exterminated on the island, and that subsequently
tobacco was imported from Mexico, Porto Rico, and other
regions.
It is more probable, however, that even in early times
the tobacco of Cuba consisted of a mixture of forms.

Probably need some genetic studies done on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
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I would be happy to grow one out for you 405533 Mexico tobaco colorado primitive sounds interesting. PM sent


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
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Markw wrote:
I would be happy to grow one out for you 405533 Mexico tobaco colorado primitive sounds interesting. PM sent

Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
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My envelope of seeds arrived this weekend. Going to dig out and set up my floating seedling tray and get them started. I might plant them in buckets, as Central FL might still get a frost between now and March.


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
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Great!


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 Post subject: Re: Free seeds
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Seeds arrived. Thanks NRustica. Going to start germination in the middle march.


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