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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:21 pm 
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Dam.. and I just ran out of Ethyl-2-methyl butyrate and you go ahead and post this! :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:52 pm 
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Well, u can see what is given the most attention... PG, sugars, carob bean extract, vanilla, licorice, lactic acid, dark rum.

I have not used carob beans, licorice, or lactic acid or rum.

Tnx FM !

We get some fancy coffee beans once in a while... grind em here at home... I like the hazel nut flavored coffee... she likes the hi-powered columbian beans... After we grind em, some residue stays behind in the collection cannister... I scrape it out with a spoon handle and dump it back in the fancy bag... then I toss in some shred and let it set for a couple weeks.
Definitely gives the coffee flavor to a smoke. I like it once and a while.

Made our blend today, and it kinda fell flat.
Maybe I'll get back to casing the baccy a bit, again...
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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:36 pm 
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Is anyone seriously considering duplicating this? you'd have to have 3 pantries filled with jars, bottles, etc. I wanna be there when you ask the girl at Walmart where most of this stuff is at... Can you say "visit by the F B I?"

As for calculating amounts, I'd need to know the percentage of what is represented? Is it the percentage of ONE cigarette, a pack, a carton? so, is it 1.25 grams per cig, 25 grams per pack, or 250 grams per carton?


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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:18 am 
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I think :roll: if one were only to consider those components in significant concentration, it would suffice.

Dimethoxybenzene (para-) 0.00019, whatever the heck kinda volatile it is, is present in such an inconsequential amount it wouldn't be worth the trouble researching, and it certainly doesn't sound like something I'd really want in my ciggies anyway!

or these...

Ethyl decanoate 0.00004
Ethyl hexanoate 0.00090
Ethyl laurate 0.00004
Ethyl octanoate 0.00004

I just don't care to find out what they actually are !
...Sounds bad, and probably is. :twisted:

They are most likely among those chems brought to attention with that 'Insider' film... they enhance delivery of the nicotine in a commercial product.

Why not simply depend upon quality baccy, or even leave it at 'unique' baccy ?

I < do > find the humectant, PG, valuable in my blends. It's present in much of our (processed) food.
It's in the artificial vanilla flavor I sometimes add, and there's a TON of it in the one brand of cheapo pipe baccy I occasionally blend in to the mix.

Sugars... I use inverted sugar, molasses, honey, and both white and brown sugar... all in small amounts, from time to time. Basically in an attempt to affect the burn rate.

Licorice, carob, and vanilla are flavorings, along with the menthol at 4/10ths of 1 percent.
I regularly steam harsh burley with a few eucalyptus leaves in the water before I strip midribs from the dried, aging leaf.
It cuts down on the burley bite, and in small amounts, the menthol note is not noticeable. I tell my testers it was used.

I would suspect the rum, and some of the benzene compounds are there primarily as dispersants for the other chems employed. There's more flavor in molasses than there is in rum, because the molasses is the source for the rum's flavor.

...as I was joking with Lonnie, months back, about 'better living through chemistry'.... :)
and he even used mullein in his chew recipe.

All fun stuff!
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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:28 am 
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Actually it does make a difference. If calculated to the cigarette, there will be rounding differences in the calculations that will significantly change the formula if then converted for use in treating a ton of tobacco. Also, you'll want to know what to add to the amount of tobacco you plan on processing. It's just handier or you have to redo the math yourself. If I want to get diesel in my truck, I can quickly guess the amount of gallons needed by looking at the gauge. If someone said, I'd need 240 pints to fill it up, I'd have to do math and change it to 30 gallons. You asked for calculations to get the quantities needed. I'm just saying "what's the quantity of tobacco in the batch"?

0.00004% is really 0.0000004 X 1.25 gram = 0.0000005 grams of Ethyl Decanoate per cigarette, one gram per 2 million cigarettes(100 thousand packs)

Then there's the question of whether the chemical is a solid or liquid? How fine are the grains of this solid? Perhaps you'd only need 1/4 of a grain of something? Perhaps a gunpowder or jewelry scale will be needed and maybe that's not even fine enough to measure the correct amount. A drop of liquid contains different volumes of liquid depending on the make up of the liquid. Don't know how to get a liquid small than a drop? what if you need 1/20th of a drop?

From my foray into distributed computing, I've learned that even the processor manufacturer makes a difference when dealing with such small numbers. AMD rounds to digit X while Intel rounds to digit Y. Working with such small numbers, especially with repeated small numbers, make the problem worse (don't remember the exact digit place, but know it exists)

Thinking about it, even evaporation might be a problem and you'd need to add more to account for the evaporation of a substance between measuring and application.


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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:08 am 
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I put that list into a spread sheet. The total percentage is 21.22423 so the other bit is tobacco?

Here's how many grams (assuming all are solids) per lb of finished tobacco.
Additive grams/pound
Acetanisole 0.001083
Acetic acid 0.456
Apricot extract 0.0627
Benzaldehyde 0.002565
Brandy absolute 0.021318
Butyric acid (n-) 0.025764
Caramel 0.04332
Carob bean extract 1.0032
Citral 0.005016
Citric acid 0.3705
Cocoa extract 0.13167
Coffee extract 0.077976
Davana oil 0.005016
Diacetyl 0.002565
Dimethoxybenzene (para-) 0.001083
Ethyl acetate 0.11286
Ethyl butyrate 0.1254
Ethyl decanoate 0.000228
Ethyl hexanoate 0.00513
Ethyl laurate 0.000228
Ethyl maltol 0.02508
Ethyl octanoate 0.000228
Ethyl propionate 0.01254
Ethyl trans-2-butenoate 0.002508
Ethyl vanillin 0.04389
Ethyl-2-methyl butyrate 0.002565
Glucose 0.162393
Guaiacol 0.000171
Heptalactone (gamma-) 0.003534
Heptanone (2-) 0.002508
Hexalactone (gamma-) 0.001083
Hexyl acetate 0.003876
Honey Casing 23.15169
Isoamyl acetate 0.005016
Isobutyraldehyde 0.001197
Isobutyric acid 0.002508
Isovaleric acid 0.01254
Lactic acid 0.6498
Licorice extract, powder 2.052
Linalool 0.00513
Menthol 2.28
Methoxy benzaldehyde (para-) 0.006498
Methyl acetophenone (4-) 0.000228
Methyl anisole (para-) 0.000114
Methyl benzyl acetate (alpha-) 0.002565
Methyl butyric acid (2-) 0.002565
Methyl cyclopentenolone 0.001083
Molasses, sugar cane 12.825
Octalactone (gamma-) 0.001311
Pentanedione (2,3-) 0.002508
Piperonal 0.10659
Plum juice/concentrate 0.096216
Propylene glycol Humectant 46.703121
Rum, dark 1.933155
Rum, white 0.02508
Spearmint oil 0.3021
Sugar, invert 25.422
Sugar, white Casing 2.3085
Undecalactone (gamma-) 0.000228
Valerian root oil 0.02508
Valerolactone (gamma-) 0.001083
Vanilla extract 0.058653
Vanilla oleoresin 0.16758
Vanillin 0.111777
Veratraldehyde 0.001197

note: I say in a lb of finished tobacco, so you'd add the above to 78.8% of a lb of dry tobacco, or 12.6 ounces of dry tobacco to get one lb finished tobacco

Assuming we can't readily measure much less than 1/2 gram, then here's the ingredients. Note: I made no adjustment for the missing chemicals in the total weight. I just deleted the ones under .45 grams.
Additive grams/pound
Acetic acid 0.456
Carob bean extract 1.0032
Honey Casing 23.15169
Lactic acid 0.6498
Licorice extract, powder 2.052
Menthol 2.28
Molasses, sugar cane 12.825
Propylene glycol Humectant 46.703121
Rum, dark 1.933155
Sugar, invert 25.422
Sugar, white Casing 2.3085

hmmmm, that's roughly one ounce of honey casing and nearly two ounces of PG per lb. Wouldn't that make it a moist sticky mess? Is something wrong with my numbers? Is that pre drying?


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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:08 pm 
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I am wondering just how many of the ingredients on that list are actually the result of adding just one item. Rum for example could contain in itself many of the chemicals on that list all by itself.


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HOLY CRAP :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:11 am 
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rustycase wrote:
Well, u can see what is given the most attention... PG, sugars, carob bean extract, vanilla, licorice, lactic acid, dark rum.

I have not used carob beans, licorice, or lactic acid or rum.


No rum? What's wrong with you, son?!

My preference is straight up, whether tobacco or liquor, but I have to admit I have used a bit of the old dark magic now and again. After being inspired by a bit of twist that smelled good enough to eat I have a small batch of fermented tobacco going with brown sugar, coconut, and vanilla all mixed up with Kraken Black Spiced Rum.

My advice is to not try chewing on the plain water-only fermented leaves.


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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:50 pm 
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@ FM...

:lol:
OK, yah got me !

...Bbbbut I like apple pie ! :)
Sometimes I kinda forget to read the ingredients...

Like when I eat a Twinky :D
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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:53 am 
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OK, With FM's newest info, I'm back on the sauce... :lol:

Made up a blend this morning that just didn't work. It was harsh, and would not burn well.

SO,

I got out my handy spray bottle and mixed up a batch of sauce on the stove.
Here's what I used this time.

18oz tap water
1/4 C white sugar
1 t citric acid

Simmer for a while to invert the sugar.

Turn off and cool.
While cooling I added

1t unsweetened cocoa
1t molasses
2T imitation vanilla, (which has Propylene glycol as an ingredient)

After cooling, I sprayed less than 2 oz on the small batch of baccy I had blended, in three separate runs.
Each time I set the tray in the carousel microwave for 13 seconds.
Mixed it up as it steamed, sprayed a bit more and set it back in for another round.

It worked VERY WELL :!:

Took the harsh burley edge off, AND improved the burn rate.

Tnx FM !
rc

(I'm gonna look for some sort of licorice powder flavoring, and maybe some sort of fruity powder, also.)


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 Post subject: Re: RARE! Exact recipe from Major name brand cigarette, grab it
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:13 am 
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Daniel Y wrote:
I am wondering just how many of the ingredients on that list are actually the result of adding just one item. Rum for example could contain in itself many of the chemicals on that list all by itself.

Yes, you are right.
Many of these ingredients are found in nature (herbs, fruits, ...) some other, no.
The whole recipe is just a blend (1 + 2) but it's also:
1: Blend A (maybe also another Blend B) (from a fragrance manufacturer company)
2: the recipe from the tobacco manufacturer: apricot extract + Acetic acid + Brandy absolute + Caramel + Carob bean extract + Cocoa extract + Coffee extract + Glucose + Honey Casing + Lactic acid + Licorice extract + Menthol+ Molasses, sugar cane + Plum juice/concentrate + Propylene glycol Humectant + Rum, dark + Rum, white + Spearmint oil + Sugar, invert + Sugar, white Casing + Vanilla extract + Vanilla oleoresin

Now, let it see the Blend A and these odor:
Acetanisole 0.001083 sweet hawthorn anisic powdery balsamic acacia
Benzaldehyde 0.002565 strong sharp sweet bitter almond cherry
Butyric acid (n-) 0.025764 sharp acetic cheese butter fruit
Citral 0.005016 sharp lemon sweet
Davana oil 0.005016 fruity leafy berry black currant balsam raisin
Diacetyl 0.002565 strong butter sweet creamy pungent caramel
Dimethoxybenzene (para-) 0.001083 sweet green new mown hay fennel
Ethyl acetate 0.11286 ethereal fruity sweet weedy green
Ethyl butyrate 0.1254 fruity juicy fruit pineapple cognac
Ethyl decanoate 0.000228 sweet waxy fruity apple grape oily brandy
Ethyl hexanoate 0.00513 sweet fruity pineapple green metallic fresh
Ethyl laurate 0.000228 sweet waxy floral soapy clean
Ethyl maltol 0.02508 sweet caramel jam strawberry cotton candy
Ethyl octanoate 0.000228 fruity wine waxy sweet apricot banana brandy pear
Ethyl propionate 0.01254 sweet fruity rum juicy fruit grape pineapple
Ethyl trans-2-butenoate 0.002508 pungent chemical diffusive sweet allicious caramel rum
Ethyl vanillin 0.04389 sweet creamy vanilla caramel
Ethyl-2-methyl butyrate 0.002565 sharp sweet green apple fruity
Guaiacol 0.000171 phenolic smoke spice vanilla woody
Heptalactone (gamma-) 0.003534 sweet coconut nutty caramel tonka hay
Heptanone (2-) 0.002508 fruity spicy sweet herbal coconut woody
Hexalactone (gamma-) 0.001083 herbal coconut sweet coumarin tobacco
Hexyl acetate 0.003876 fruity green apple banana sweet
Isoamyl acetate 0.005016 sweet fruity banana solvent
Isobutyraldehyde 0.001197 fresh aldehydic floral
Isobutyric acid 0.002508 acidic
Isovaleric acid 0.01254 sour stinky feet sweaty cheese tropical
Linalool 0.00513 citrus floral sweet bois de rose woody green blueberry
Methoxy benzaldehyde (para-) 0.006498 sweet powdery mimosa floral hawthorn balsam
Methyl acetophenone (4-) 0.000228 sweet hawthorn powdery anisic coumarinic phenolic burnt nutty honey
Methyl anisole (para-) 0.000114 naphthyl cresol ylang powdery nutty
Methyl benzyl acetate (alpha-) 0.002565 sweet floral fruity herbal
Methyl butyric acid (2-) 0.002565 pungent acid roquefort cheese
Methyl cyclopentenolone 0.001083 sweet caramel maple sugar coffee woody
Octalactone (gamma-) 0.001311 sweet coconut waxy creamy tonka dairy fatty
Pentanedione (2,3-) 0.002508 pungent sweet butter creamy caramel nutty cheese
Piperonal 0.10659 heliotrope flower sweet powdery coconut vanilla
Spearmint oil 0.3021 spearmint
Undecalactone (gamma-) 0.000228 fruity peach creamy fatty lactonic apricot ketonic coconut
Valerolactone (gamma-) 0.001083 herbal sweet warm tobacco cocoa woody
Vanillin 0.111777 sweet vanilla creamy chocolate
Veratraldehyde 0.001197 sweet woody vanilla

For me, it seem a very strange composition but why not. Anyway, looks like very sweet and greasy with strong tropical notes specially from coconut and pineapple, the other fruity scent bringing fresh notes. Just a touch of flower to add more velvetness to the compound. That's what I will describe. I know many of these chemicals but not all, so I think I'm not to far from how it smell. The spearmint it to bring a freshness to the scent.

Where did you get that? I'm pretty interested to have other like that.


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