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 Post subject: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:43 pm 
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Hi all.
Long time I wanted to start topic here but I first wanted to upload some pictures of all my cutting machines. I have four - two are very nice vintage mechanical knifes about 100 years old , another two are kitchen machines normally used for noodles. Unfortunately I am not able to upload any pictures to the gallery. Could it be browser problem? Or Mac OS problem?
Anybody had results close to the structure of hand rolling cigarette tobacco that is sold at tobacconists? What machine do you use. I fight this problem 3 years now and I go angry with every second cigarette I am rolling.... I already spent hundreds of dollars on cutting machines, even though I love antique machines for their age and look, it wouldn't be bad if I finally could roll a cigarette in less than five minutes....


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:14 am 
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Hi O,

Strip the main rib, and maybe a few other bigger veins in the leaf... then, if in proper case you should have no problem getting 1.5mm - 1mm shred from any of the sharp knife cutters.

Case will also be important if using a machine to stuff cigarette tubes.

Experiment until you find a moisture level that performs best with your equipment.

Good luck
rc


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:25 am 
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Hi O Welcome to HTGT

Rusty is right.
But if you want a cut exactly like commercial then you have to do it like commercial. They process all their tobacco to look and feel like paper. Then shred it. I would rather have a natural tobacco . So I leave in a few stems. And I omit a lot of chemicals. :lol: :lol: :lol: I end up with a shred that is useable and enjoyable,with out the chemicals and taxes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Lee


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:57 am 
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Thanks for reactions. I always remove main rib. But this is not the problem. With mechanical vintage machine my results were nearly good ( I wish I could show you a picture), but it is time costing and still not what I want. I have 0.5 mm width at the best and I would like to have 0.3 or less. Also the structure should be different and the staples should be longer....


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:35 pm 
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OK , fine, today I really prepared it seriously and the result was great except of the fact that it took hours to cut tobacco for some two weeks. It depends a lot on humidity and another important thing was how I roll and insert the leafs into the machine. This way is only a bit quicker than to cut it with kitchen knife. My neighbor promised to sharpen blades of another machine I have that was much quicker in cutting (normally used for thin noodles in the kitchen). I will post the results.

Does anybody know what is the problem with picture upload? Is it the problem of the browser or of the OS? What browser should I use on mac to upload pictures to the gallery? Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:49 pm 
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Seems to work for me, just had to create an album first. Though it won't let me rotate it.
And it's a well sharpened kitchen knife I use. With a bit of patience and practice, I can cut a few days worth of tobacco in only ten minutes, and just as thinly as commercial.


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
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LAst two I am using. The old one cuts better and thinner but it is terribly slow, so I am using old machine for kitchen noodles on the last picture. Wit blades recently sharpened it works quite well.


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
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After I de-rib it, I put it in a paper shreader then lay it long ways in the small wheels of the pasta roller two or three times with it choked down to zero. I feed and take by hand so it will stay even. to crimp it I hold it back to make it bunch up so it wont be to tight to load in the roller or injector.


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
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I found that alot of folks are un-aware of all the diferent cuts. So I put a list of what I know on this forum so You can look them up and get an idea of what they are for what You need. I did not put meat cleaver chopped in it becaus that is what I do to the last of the suckers at the end of harvest to make snuff. LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Thin cut - comercial hand rolling tobacco - how they do it?
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Thank for all your replies and info. I guess the problem is solved for this year, I finally used white one on the third picture - the disc with three blades on horizontal axis with the crank. It cuts quickly but because it is originally made for soup noodles, some important parts are made of quite a tender plastic that causes some leafs to go through the machine uncut just pressed into balls and pigtails. Most of the tobacco is cut well though.

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Mad Oshea wrote:
I found that alot of folks are un-aware of all the diferent cuts. So I put a list of what I know on this forum so You can look them up and get an idea of what they are for what You need. I did not put meat cleaver chopped in it becaus that is what I do to the last of the suckers at the end of harvest to make snuff. LOL

Yes, it seem that I didn't explained well what cut I want to achieve as the result. I would like to have the structure of hand rolling tobacco (like drum). It is much thinner and parts are longer than the cut that is sufficient for cigarette making machine.


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